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Contact Person salomondrin 01/06/2018 - 06:30pm

Could the 570 be the direct 488 rival?

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    The reason I ask this is because I feel like someone just took my eye covers and i can finally see clearly! This is what i think it’s gonna look like: 570 vs 488 (for those wondering the 570 is much faster, and has a way better interior). The 720s line is now competing against the 812 line... makes sense cuz the 720s is such a good GT (might be the best one out today), and that’s what that line from Ferrari is. I don’t think it’s fair to compare the Portobello Mushroom to any mclaren. It’s just not competing at all in any way shape or form (design, speed, noise, comfort). Fuck!!!!! What do you guys think?

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  • mahadma gönndir
    5 days ago 0 P-Nos Points
    That's a difficult one. Actually, the 650S is the true rival for the 488 gtb and the 570S as a sports series car acts a level below. But now things get kinda tricky with Mclaren started to "cheat" (probably) since the sport series was introduced. If you go and watch drag races between a 675 LT and a 570S, the 570 always wins (sometimes by quite a lot) despite having over 100hp less power and more weight (see e.g. Shmee video). That together with the fact, that Mclaren lied about the power of the 720S makes me belief, that they did the same thing with the sports series (so they might be around 650hp instead of 570hp) -> which also would answer the question why the 570S is more or less as fast as a 488 gtb in the straight line.
    In the end I still don't think that you can compare the 570S (which is made for having fun on the road but not on the track (go to see Mishas video)) with the 488 (which follows the idea of a 650S/720S by offering great comfort while being able to do some track work). Mclaren currently is just putting cars out too fast (due to more or less same parts on every model) so that no other manufacturerer is following them in their line up.
  • qseats
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
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  • qseats
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    The 488 is just a fashion statement, much like most Ferrari's. Mclaren is eating their lunch and a lot of people don't want to admit it
  • Robholio
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Alejandro, you should pick up a second-hand 12C Spyder and send it to Hypercar Performance for the updated bodywork and the 1,000HP tri-turbo upgrade. It's so impractical and ridiculous that it's perfect.

    That said, McLaren. All day, everyday. I've been fortunate enough to drive some exceptional cars over the last two years, and the 12C Spyder is the one I always think about. Aside from a really well-sorted 911, it's hard to think of a better driving experience...Except for a Clownshoe, of course. No bias here. ;-)
  • Robholio
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I'd have to agree. From a sheer performance perspective, it's not really a contest. Ferrari makes some brilliant cars, and it's no secret that their pedigree and panache over the years drives most of those sales. I don't necessarily think that Ferrari is being lazy, it's just that they are no longer THE brand in the segment. McLaren, Lamborghini, Porsche (hell, ANY high-end VAG car), Koenigsegg, all are pushing the boundries. In the context of a ultra high-end sports car/supercar, the prestige of a badge is a moot point if someone is putting car lengths on you after you paid an $80K premium for the privilege.

    Just sayin'. ;-)
  • zach.harmon
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    the 570 would be a fraction of the price as well. so why would someone buy the 488 over the 570?
  • Shearer71
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    I used to work for Honda in Swindon, England, and in 2010 when our recession hit and Honda made people redundant McLaren snapped them all up because their quality control is excellent. So if take McLaren any day!
  • amra69
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    i would buy the 570s instead of the 488 but would rather have the 488. but i would buy the 570s spider over the 488spider. performance wise they are rivals. saw that after some drag races. the 570s speed is amazing for the price and only a "sportscar" not a "supercar".
  • mijax4z
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    It’s not a secret that Ferrari falling very down, but their style keeps in good form. In spite of that, McLaren its superior in a lot of things, but the essence of the Ferrari stills alive.Or at least a bit. Maybe the mclaren is best in a lot of things, but the desing and hoy the car looks, it’s a very strong point to considerate, that’s why the people still buying ferraris
  • tonyshark
    1 week ago 2 P-Nos Points
    For sure! Was recently in a Miami multi brand dealer (the Collection) and a lot of the clients that were waiting over 2 years for their 488 Sipder were buying the 570S Spider which were just sitting on the lot for immediate delivery. Remember miami is a older market, with a strong Ferrari brand presence, but I have a feeling some of these owners might not move back. One thing though, some of the older clients thought the 570 was to "aggressive" both in speed and braking, so maybe amazing performance is not a good thing for that market?
    • kylecuviello
      1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
      interesting- most 488s won’t be on a track, they’ll have old rich lucky perverts in them. good point- they ultimately want a smooth ride while looking like a boss
  • philby
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Havent really seen or read anything that compares performance, but looks-wise mclaren is taking a large Mesopotamian shit on ferrari at the moment and its just amazing what they're coming out with. 720S is just a dream car on so many levels as well
    • 4 Cylinder Guy
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      I remember from Motor Trends Worlds Greatest Drag Races that the McLaren 570s was about 0.1 seconds slower in quarter mile than the 488. If you add in the price difference. McLaren takes the cake on that
  • ahmadelmallah90
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    McLaren has been stepping their game
  • MrKevinT
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    yup agree 100%... but then that raises the question... what would the LT version of the 720s compete with? Nothing. haha
    • kylecuviello
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      maybe the GT2RS if the 720 doesn’t hold its own against it? we don’t know yet
    • amra69
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      if the 812 is anywhere near the 720s it would be the track edition of the 812 and male the gt2rs.
  • I'm God
    1 week ago 1 P-Nos Points
    I would pick the 570 any day over a 488
  • JAnyim
    1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
    McLaren gets my nipples twisty everytime is ee one. It is the best. I love the brand and what they are doing.
  • sageman
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Portobello Mushroom hahahahahaha
  • avi.sengupta86
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Ferrari has just gotten so lame be creative and innovative do something new and make us say "wow" again and not cuz it's so awful for the $ compared to its competitors
  • hinne022
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Actually makes a lot of sense, but never thought of this before as they're very different yet very similar.

    Speaking of the 812...I would love if you could get your hands on one to review soon now that they're starting to land in the US! Like you, my favorite Ferrari model is always the front-engine GT. I love the 812 Superfast (minus the dumbass name) and can't go wrong with a 800hp NA V12 up front.
  • Dozer
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Ferrari should concentrate on breaking new automotive ground; rather than concerning themselves with disrespecting other innovative brands. Performance is supposed to be their USP after all! They should take a leaf from their historical book, and innovate once again; not sell on reputation ALONE. I have never respected the Ferrari brand & I am 50.... “simply too far up their own arse”.
  • Pdxdon
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    The 540c may be a Portofino competitor though its main purpose seems to be for the China market with its tax issues. Historically, I have loved Ferrari and think their styling is great and some of their technology seems good, but they are not keeping up at all with the competition. You could make a counter argument that McLaren is making their models obsolete too quickly, but that is the market reality. It is really hard to see why anyone would take the 488 over the equally priced Hurucan and 720s unless they are totally fixated on Ferrari and don't scope out the competition. I also think an NSX, 570S, and R8 would be preferable for a lot less cash.
    • michaelvdenino
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      Actually, as Ale mentions to Rodrigo late in the video comparing all the exhausts, the 488 is the most expensive of all when you compare equal spec 488, huracan, and 720s. CRAZY i know.
  • ItsAMeBalboni
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    the question really is: Could the 488 be the direct 570 rival?
  • Rndyone64
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I think I am going to have to agree with you. Ferrari has really fallen off in technology, comfort, interior design and just general appeal besides just being a Ferrari. I think they have just gotten a little too comfortable.
    • michaelvdenino
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      They fell off in comfort but have become more comfortable?! I know what your sayin homie just had to call ya out on that, it made me laugh
  • KR
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    FINALLY!!! I was wondering how much time would it take for you to realize that the 720s is in a different category. You compared them based on the price in the US, where the Ferrari is overpriced. Is more fair to compare them based on the real power they give you... and I would love to see a race between the 812 (which I think looks better, but that's my taste) and the 720s.
    BTW... the Portofino is an entry level and McLaren don't have a competitor for that kind of car... so stop complaining about it... it is a very overpriced competitor for the Porsche 911 Carrera S or even a Turbo.
  • SpiceBoy
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    I think the McLaren and Ferrari lines just don't really directly compare very well anymore now that Ferrari is making more Aston Martin-esque GT cars rather than fast and aggressive cars like McLaren is
  • rivieraracing
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    On the road that is true but from what I have heard the 570s is unstable while cornering at high speeds on the track
    due to lack of rear aero
  • iramercer02
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Hi
  • MaseratiDubai!
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Just watch out,
    Ferrari is preparing great !

    The Empire will strike soon again - It was, it is and always will be the benchmark to beat !

    Lamborghini ?
    Who is Lamborghini ?


    :o)
    • amra69
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      with what?
    • 4 Cylinder Guy
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      I really want them to be great again but...there is just so much competition and Ferrari has an inflated ego.
      I dont want them to fall flat on their face so better not to be overconfident
  • 10159754178880305
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Who are Ferrari competing with now seriously its not Lamborghini theys no Aventador compilatior and 488 is not same league as Huracán or is it Aston Martin and Bentley with gt and super gt cars cos they don’t make super cars any more if they made a testarossa successor may be the 812 engine on midengined car maybe they be good again the gtc4 is a rival for the continetal gt and California t for the vantage and 812 for the vanquish
  • tsout0317
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Totally agree, he'll yea you hit the nail on the head!
  • MaseratiDubai!
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Bulls hit, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS !!

    Ferrari will ALWAYS stay out of the crowd - just wondering how fast McLaren will disappear again....
  • Lunchbox
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I think you are spot on. I think even tho it’s ridiculous you have to forget price points to see the category of car. Ferrari are just expensive because of wank factor.

    Even tho it is the base and not fair to compare, will a will a spec’ed out portofino vs a amg gtr? Same base engine as a 488 really now, look great and 200k odd if it’s like the cali, and a vert. With an exhaust and tune it could be better then the 488.
  • LB
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    That could be true but if it is then I would take the 812 over the 720S anyday of the week, I dont know but theres just something about a high revving Ferrari V12 that speaks to me, or rather screams at me. I find the 812 really appealing
  • Alessandro
    2 weeks ago 5 P-Nos Points
    I don't think that a 570S is faster than a 488 GTB (data taken from fastestlaps.com)

  • WineGuy33
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I would have to agree. Just from watching SOL's video on the 570s you can clearly tell how much faster the Mclaren is than what they say. With an exhaust and maybe a tune I feel like the 570s would be the perfect every day Mclaren. I mean, not that it isnt already...
  • KevPowell
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    More like 540C
  • chachelda
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I would opt for McLaren over Ferrari any day!!
  • Douggiefresh7
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    We could only have a answer if you race them together!!!
    • dhruvanil007
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      go check Ranjit Sundaramurthy on Instagram he had uploaded a video of a race between the 488 and the 570s
    • amra69
      1 week ago 0 P-Nos Points
      do you have the link?
  • dtgaddis
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    You should do a LTACY on a 570s
  • jose.tamez
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    King Ferrari shall always reign supreme
  • abeat_4
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    that car looks sick in blue
  • AndCars
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    812 is better looking and sounding car than 720S
    • dtgaddis
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      I agree because the 812 does have that v12 but it's not going to keep up with a 720 on track or in a straight line
  • mkudos
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    it all depends on what you want from a supercar. if it’s only about speed then maybe... sure go for the 570s. like my brother has actually had both a 675lt and a 720s which he sold due to manufacturing problems and he prefers the 675lt because although it’s not as fast as the 720 in a drag. it’s more fun to drive. and I agree with him. if you want a great do it all then Go for the 720s but it gets boring when you drive it in traffic when your not driving it fast. the 675lt is not a great daily driver but it’s more exciting. he said he’ll wait for the LT version which I have no doubt will be a lot more exciting.
  • Domanic183
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    I think the Ferrari 488 should compete against the McLaren suv....probably would have a chance
  • Lambo lover
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    570 looks, sounds and will perform better than 488
  • ShmeetBoy
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    I love the 570!
    And that blue is AMAZING!!!
  • Vmarci
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    No it can't becaus it is already better.....
  • SnoopDoggo
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Idrk dude, I believe the 488 really competes with the 650S, which got replaced with the 720S. Even the 488 seems to be more than the "cheap" McLaren, and it's like $30,000 less than the 720S, but the 488 is like $70,000 more than the 570S. It's a 650S competitor, but now that the 720S replaced the 650S, it's kind of a 720S competitor, but a really outdated one at that. I think we all need to realize that the 488's platform is 7 years old, that's why it seems so lackluster compared to the competition. It's literally the facelifted version of the 458, but with a completely new engine (think 991.1 911 --> 991.2). That's why the 488 seems so outdated
    • mkudos
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      I agree with everything you said... for some, a supercar is only good if it’s the fastest car out there. not for me though. although others might agree or disagree with what I’m about to say... it all depends on what ticks all the boxes in a great driving experience. of course the car has to be fast but not necessarily the fastest one out there. but it has to handle. like the 570s is faster than the 488 cus it’s a newer car. I had a 488 and I loved it. and when I bought it I never even considered the 570s. I’m not saying the 570 isn’t a great car but it’s just not for me. I had one for 2 days. and from my experience though it was very fast, when I took it over 120 mph I felt like front end needed more downforce to keep it planted. unlike other mclarens or even the 488... and also when the 488 got comes out technically it’s not a 720 competitor. it’s gonna be a 488 farewell and what comes after that is technically will be the 720 competitor. it all started because the 650 replaces the mp4-12c too quickly.
    • mkudos
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      autocorrect is annoying. it corrected 488 GTO to got and it also corrected other words like replaced with replaces
  • dhruvanil007
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    did you see the video Sir Ranjit Sundaramurthy uploaded? cause he raced a 488 against a 570 and guess what the results were? 😂😂
    https://www.instagram.com/p/Bb3myIIABQr/
    this is the link to the video
  • forakzai
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    imo the 570s is leagues better than the 488
  • McC-CocK
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    For the people saying how cheap the 570s is....it isn't too far off the 488!
    You can easily spec it to 180-200,000 GBP if you get the MSO exhaust (which is amazing) and the carbon packs...or spider
  • The Full 10 inches
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I think the 650S is more of a 488 rival. Actually yeah that's the best one to compare it to; two good, but not phenomenal supercars.
  • oscarfalcon
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    I still love the 570 (even though it's the entry level McLaren).
  • Budrow
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    The 488 is a stretch even competing wt the 570. Ferrari is now strictly nostalgic. Ferraris are for long time collectors of them that just are stuck following that brand. And for the mistress wt the cali/ port line. They have enough money from everything else they not hang it up but they are out of the competition for sure. Atleast they look sexy. But they beating dead horse literally
  • SeanMondrin
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    the 570s is way out of the 488 league alto its half the price of it but still better in my perspective🤷‍♂️
  • kilpin
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    i think the 570 relates to the 650 as a seat leon or golf relate to an audi a3, just castred versions lacking certain options but the core (engine, chassis) is there. In some terms some simpler and cheaper approaches (e.g. suspensions) also have benefits in terms of driving feeling/fun. I am not so sure they need extra names for them, its like bmw 2 or 4 series where some special configurations have their own name, and actually dont like the abscence of real variation like cayman vs 911 or the 488 and the 812

    The 720s on the other side is another story, current gen for them and next or over next for the concurrents. Their game in the gt sector will be the bp23 which is likely to have the same impact as the bp14, the 812 concurrents will be the 570s deriving from that platform
  • zer0wo
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Can you imagine the 720S LT in 4 years with groundbreaking technology competing against the next "Big" Ferrari?
  • Dbr1996
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    No way. The Ferrari 488 is competing with the 650s in my opinion. Because it came to tge market around that period. The next 488 is going to compete with the 720s. But never with the 570s. Although this last one is very fast is not 488 fast. No way
  • ViperGTS69
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    Grand Seikos spank Rolexs all day on fit, finish, build quality and tolerances, yet people continue to buy Rolexs. All you see is all there is...
  • Rye
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I think the 570s is quite under rated by many.... So I think you could be right.
  • MarkF
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    I will take a McLaren any day. in my opinion it looks much better, the interior looks better and its just faster.
  • The_Boss
    2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
    yeah man thats exactly what I thaught the entry level for ferrari is shit compared to the competition and this is so much for the value
    and speaking perfomance it should compete with 488 or the 488 should compete to the 570
  • Gazorpazorpfield
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Hard for me to understand when the 488 & 650S both directly compete in GT3...
    • Salomondrin
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      I actually think the GT3 based on pricing is at the AMG level now... and that's why AMG wants that market. Way cheaper than all the other super cars.
  • McC-CocK
    2 weeks ago 4 P-Nos Points
    I think it is, I think it just beats all the competition so dramatically with how well rounded it is!
  • Albertnative
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    You finally got it 😂😂😂 and BTW the 570 is not so much faster than the 488, I think they're pretty similar performance wise!
    • beemerdude
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      Yeah But McLaren is just more focused on getting Every detale right and Working towards the final great result 😁
    • Salomondrin
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      We've done a side by side. WAY FASTER hahaha
    • McC-CocK
      2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
      I've seen first hand the 570 destroys it and even a turbo s!
      I have a friend who's lost half a second off his 488's 0-60 times in months...and what he said was "almost 60hp".
      It's performance is massively over done for tests, so much so that Ferrari won't allow it in group tests without it's 'performance team'.
      It's a shame they still do this, but like Harris said, they just can't stand the image being hurt.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7VBSFsdJCc
    • Dbr1996
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      it's faster because it's much lighter. Aero wise, it's almost inexistent in the 570s which will cause no drag and also it can put the power down because it does have less hp. the 570s wins in a drag race against a 675LT. Shmee and Misha did it. Around a all track I think the 488 takes it.
    • McC-CocK
      2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
      I would have to disagree, I think the 570 has a good second or so on it track wise...the car is so focused and the aero is pretty evident and advanced mate
    • Dbr1996
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      It's not that advanced on aero. The 488 is not either but still. Aero wise is really hard to argue
    • McC-CocK
      2 weeks ago 3 P-Nos Points
      Not really mate, considering most of the aero is built into the body it isn't obvious.
      I would recommend check the aero though, it is pretty fascinating.
      I love Ferrari as a historical brand, but the 488 has had it's time, it simply cannot compete with the 570s!
      I would be interested to see the GTO version.
    • Dbr1996
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      Me too. But I really think the 488 is worth much more than people here say it is. I had made some posts about it here and I just made a new one about the 720s I invite you to see it. It mind blogging
    • McC-CocK
      2 weeks ago 3 P-Nos Points
      Oh don't get me wrong, it's still a good car and I actually love the 812!
      But the problem is that the performance car game is moving so fast now and the companies like McLaren and Porsche are really pulling ahead.
      Ferrari are not doing anything new across the range, even the La Ferrari was the least advanced of the Hypercar "Holy Trinity".
      But then again, I don't know what they have planned, I just think they need to step it up.
    • Dbr1996
      2 weeks ago 0 P-Nos Points
      I really see your point, but I also see Ferrari's point. They are without the ultimate supercar manufacturer of all time. The dominated the game for so long. They have plenty of money and the cars they make are getting sold. They actuallly sold out. So why would I (Ferrari) bother with the competition. This brands are not suppose to make out of this world cars. They are suppose to make money. They do that by selling cars, and in that department (making money) they are kings. How they do make money it's different

    • Albertnative
      2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
      I could be wrong but I thought I've seen a drag race between them and they were very close! Maybe it was the 570GT though.
      @McC-Cock why exactly the LaF whould be the least advanced of the Holy Trinity?
    • McC-CocK
      2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
      Strictly in terms of tech, it is the least rounded of the 3!
      The La Ferrari uses it's tech efficiently to help it perform, (despite it being the slowest of the 3 on track) it uses it's hybrid tech to fill torque gaps and it's re gen brakes are on par with the 918.
      However it has no all out Electric mode and in terms of it's use of tech I would go so far as to say it is just a V12 with KERS slapped on.
      Speaking of which, Considering IPAS is effectively KERS the P1 - Instant Power Assist System whilst efficient is more battery based
      The other 3 were built with hybrid tech to help performance and usability ontop, the P1 excels as it offers a lighter weight solution with the battery built into the chassis, so there is no use for a heavy case.
      It also offers DRS which was a big step forward.
      But it can't really compete with the 918's tech.
  • P1Calhoun
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    McLaren all the way!
  • beemerdude
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Youre so right , the fat kid in the Class 😂😂😂
  • FASTFLORES
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
    Remember Ferrari? This is them now. PORTABELLO 488

  • FASTFLORES
    2 weeks ago 2 P-Nos Points
    Remember that Ferrari? This is it now.

  • FASTFLORES
    2 weeks ago 1 P-Nos Points
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